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February 25, 2009

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David McReynolds

Totally believe that we should do no harm, but that we should love as our testimony of Christ. It is, however, terribly arrogant to believe that we can cause or affect climate change. We are buying into a lie if we believe that we have caused and thus, can restore changes to the climate. Sorry, I am not confronting you and don't wish to start a negative discussion here. I am just disappointed to see this here. You have such a great forum here.

timbednar

What I'm not understanding from your comment...is even if climate change is a "myth" (as you contend) where is the moral, ethical or theological problem with fasting carbon for Lent.

I'm not sure what you are objecting to...

...decreasing my carbon footprint is a worse morally neutral and at best a Kingdom act

...taking on my contribution to climate change as part of Lent is at worst "trendy" and at best a Kingdom act

...considering others before myself is at worst asceticism at best its following Christ's example

I'm not seeing the moral hazard? Anyone?

David McReynolds

I guess what prompted my comment was the idea that the carbon fasting would affect a change in the poor, poverty stricken areas that are part of the Tearfund program. I did not want to challenge your fast, that is not for me to say. I did want to challenge the premise that your fast could potentially make a difference in the climate of a third-world country. I am all for a raised awareness of the conditions of life that many people live in. I was just concerned with the method. If the end results are lives changed because of the love of Christ, go for it.

I also want to be sure that you know my comment about the arrogance of the whole climate change movement was not directed at you. I was speaking of the arrogance of the movement and it's leadership.

timbednar

So you don't agree that...the incremental changes by an individual can impact the climate thus the fast no measurable impact on the poor or poverty stricken. Thus its entire premise is faulty.

But it may however produce personal transformation?

I believe all fasts suffer from the same logic.

An individual fasting a meal or two does not really feed the poor or address poverty, but it does create spiritual change that may lead to individual acts of justice.

So I think your logic may be applied to fasting writ large, so I'm not seeing your point.

It seems like you the carbon fast got conflated with a a political agenda which was not my intent.

In full disclosure, I am in fact am a liberal democrat, but I do not think this fast had a political agenda.

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